[Adium-devl] Adium iPhone

[Colin Barrett]

Please, let's be civil. This thread and mailing list are not about the  
App Store and its merits. Peter's decided to not participate in the  
App Store, that's his choice, and if you'll notice, he did not start  
off into the weeds about how horrible it was unprompted.

Ryan, chill. There's no need to compare Peter to a Slashdot troll,  
however obliquely. He wasn't attacking you, just explaining his  
reasons calmly. You also should probably have heeded his advice and  
followed up with him off-list.

Let's all table this branch of the thread 100%. There's no need to  
follow up to this message on-list (in fact, please don't).

Pleadingly,
-Colin

On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Ryan R. LaMothe wrote:

> That's fine, I'm not intending to get into this conversation at this  
> point in time.  I read too much of this type and tone of  
> conversation on Slashdot on a now monthly basis (I remember what it  
> used to be like in 1996 when I first signed up).
>
> Thank you for your opinions and I hope we can all feel free to  
> openly share our opinions on this mailing list without feeling  
> attacked.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan
>
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Peter Hosey wrote:
>
>> As this sub-thread gets farther from the topic of Adium, I suggest  
>> you send your response to me privately.
>>
>> On 2009-01-23, at 06:25, Ryan R. LaMothe wrote:
>>> It seems to me that you have a specific philosophical difference  
>>> from other developers, about commercial (ie. for pay) software  
>>> development, …
>>
>> What would that be?
>>
>>> 1) Without the App Store, there would be no supported SDK,
>>
>> There could be. Nothing stops Apple from providing a supported SDK  
>> and not having the only App Store. (See Mac OS X.)
>>
>>> centralized distribution system,
>>
>> The App Store doesn't have to be the only App Store.
>>
>>> centralized marketing, centralized payment system, et. al.
>>
>> Those come from the one and only App Store, not the SDK.
>>
>>> 2) To support #1, I have done a fair amount of J2ME development  
>>> for the Blackberry for commercial clients.  Since there is no  
>>> centralized distribution system, centralized or even standardized  
>>> installation system, centralized payment system, etc. development  
>>> on the Blackberry is a complete pain in the ass.  And terrible  
>>> from a user perspective, especially people who are not technical  
>>> people, when it comes to installing applications, updating  
>>> applications, etc.
>>
>> I didn't say Apple shouldn't have an App Store.
>> I didn't say it shouldn't come with the iPhone.
>> I wouldn't even mind it being the only one—*if* Apple behaved  
>> better about it.
>>
>> Basically, you're assuming that the only alternative to the iPhone  
>> App Store is whatever Blackberry has. That's wrong.
>>
>>> 3) The convenience of #1 to overcome to PITA of #2 costs money.   
>>> It costs developers money and it costs Apple money.
>>>
>>> 4) If Apple does not make money, they go out of business.
>>
>> Yes, I understand the concept of business.
>>
>>> Without Apple, there is no iPhone, iPod, etc.  So, selling the  
>>> application, even for a nominal fee works to support the entire  
>>> development and commercial ecosystem that allows any of this to  
>>> exist.
>>
>> Yes, selling applications on the App Store allows this system with  
>> mandatory DRM and a flawed review system to exist.
>>
>>
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