[Adium-devl] Fwd: serverless Chat Messenger for MAC has been compiled

Tue Jan 8 22:58:31 UTC 2008

We already have OTR though, and you and your friends can all encrypt  
over any of the protocols with it. It's a mixture of Diffie-Hellman  
key exchange and SHA-1 hashing, which imo is better (besides the PKI  
implications of ring of trust/web of trust) than pgp/gpg. Add to that  
the fact that it uses deniable encryption, AES-symmetric key algo's,  
and PFS (a part of PKI and all that), I'm pretty happy with it as  
solving the problem you are stating.

Plus if you want utter control you could run your own XMPP server  
which gives you control over the fact that things are logged or not,  
or you could tunnel (via ssh tunnels or vpn or something else)  
bonjour connections which are serverless also.

Anyhow, I don't see the value in this protocol, however you have a  
chance to show that there is value in it. My understanding is that  
you spammed multiple xmpp mailing lists, so that doesn't bode well,  
however you still have the opportunity to prove  to the community  
that this is a valuable protocol to have.

So, here's your action items:

1) Let us know how you are associated with the project you are  
linking to.

2) Let us know why we should devote resources to this rather than  
other things (like voice video, improving file transfer, etc. Things  
of the same general difficulty)

3) Let us know why it should go into adium proper, and not into  
libpurple, which would give it to us a lot easier.

4) Are you willing to do the work to implement this in Adium?

Resolving these 4 concerns would resolve this for me, but others on  
this list may have other concerns as well.

Chris

On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Michael Schmidt wrote:

> data retention law in the EU means to logg all messages with IP,  
> the next step is to log the message, so encryption out of the box  
> is not bad. e.g.
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 11:29 PM, Chris Forsythe < chris at adiumx.com> wrote:
> You think? You're the one advocating this protocol, why do you want  
> it in Adium?
>
> Chris
>
> On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Michael Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris
>> I think the main advantage is
>> - that it is encrypted by default
>> - the PGP key is the chat adress
>> - No logging servers
>> - it is decentral organized
>> - emailfunction means that emails are transferred in a stream, so  
>> no data retention
>> - it allows File sharing
>> - it is a web of trust, so myspace and facebook decentral like  
>> gnutella
>> - it is a game network layer, which means an open source hamatchi
>> - it is cool to upgrate to the modern technologie
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2008 8:37 PM, Chris Forsythe <chris at adiumx.com> wrote:
>> Is there a c/objective-c library for this new protocol? That would  
>> make integration easier.
>>
>> I'm not seeing tooo much of a point to having Yet Another Protocol  
>> hanging around, so maybe you could tell us why having this around  
>> would be beneficial?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>> maybe Adium can join ideas of the serverless protocoll for chat,  
>>> as it now since yesterday has been compiled for MAC, Intel, PPC  
>>> still missing. Are there any plans to discuss that for an  
>>> integration? I fordward the message in the bottom, regards Mike.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Jan 7, 2008 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: New serverless Chat Messenger for MAC has been compiled
>>>
>>> Hello, a new Chat Messenger for MAC is out, which is as well a  
>>> Gaming Layer Network and a Filesharing Tool, so that it is easy  
>>> to synchonize files amoung friends and coworkers:
>>>
>>> DOWNLOAD
>>> http://garr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/retroshare/Retroshare- 
>>> v0.3.52a-INTEL-MAC-OSX-10.5.dmg
>>>
>>> HOMEPAGE
>>> Http://retroshare.sf.net
>>>
>>> FEEDBACK
>>> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php? 
>>> thread_id=1831496&forum_id=618174
>>>
>>> The serverless messenger and email application uses c++ and Qt.
>>>
>>> The Compilation is done for MAC Intel 10.5. Can someone please  
>>> test, if it is working on every machine? and is someone able to  
>>> make a PPC compilation too?
>>>
>>> The Messenger is serverless and needs no central login,  
>>> everything is encrypted and secure.
>>> A group of users can use it as a game network layer, so a kind of  
>>> open source hamatchi, to play games over Internet, currently  
>>> QCheckers and Backgammon are implemented.
>>>
>>> A help for building the PPC Binary is welcome
>>>
>>> SOURCE:
>>> http://retroshare.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/retroshare/
>>>
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