msn-pecan 0.1 good enough?

[Darren Swan]

I'm honestly tired of hearing about this. Felipe, you come across as immature and not willing to listen. I'm not going to take sides on whether or not msn-pecan should be included in Adium 1.X. I will however point out that this entire thread has been a huge waste of time. There are so many other things involved with BOTH sides of the argument that need to be sorted out before either side can consider working together. I'm not going to point out specific points, I'm solely going to request that this topic come to a close. The users of Adium are suffering in this as it is a waste of time and detracting attention from bugs that could be fixed.

In my opinion, if you're going to support MSN within a third-party messenger, and I'm not being specific to any one messenger, you need to implement and support as many features of MSN as you possibly can. File Transfers, ability to talk to certain contacts, send animated smiley faces, it doesn't matter how small the feature, someone somewhere will be looking for it when they switch from using the first party program.

-Darren

On a side note, I have extreme food allergies, and I am allergic to Pecans.



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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras at gmail.com>
To: "Evan Schoenberg, M.D." <evan at adium.im>
Cc: Adium Development List <devel at adium.im>
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:35:33 PM
Subject: Re: msn-pecan 0.1 good enough?

Hey Evan,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. <evan at adium.im> wrote:
>
> On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
> Avoid regressions as much as possible is a good policy. No regressions
> ever until the end of times even if most users would be happy with it,
> is not.
>
> For reference, I downloaded and tried the msn-pecan / Adium test from Google
> Code when it was first announced. I didn't catch any noticeable benefits so
> I subsequently switched back to the stock Adium. I was initially impressed
> by the enthusiasm, but after researching the history of the fork and what it
> does exactly, I can say that I've lost that enthusiasm.
>
> Good that it works for you... I assume you don't care about the
> countless people that can't even login or get constant disconnections.
>
> Choices are always about trade-offs.  If msn-pecan fixes a number of
> problems, this could be worth it even if it generates new ones.
> Felipe has said he is most concerned about users, not developers, in terms
> of implementing features.  Felipe, if we took you at your word and moved to
> msn-pecan for Adium 1.5, would you be willing to commit to working on the
> MSN-Yahoo bridge if a significant response requesting it (or rather, noting
> its sudden absence) were made, either during the 1.5 beta period or after
> its release, for the feature, regardless of the theoretical possibility of a
> 'work around' but adding a separate Yahoo account?

Let me clarify; Adium is important for msn-pecan, but so are other
features already in the queue. I said that YIM support might be easy
in msn-pecan 0.2, but actually I meant 0.3. So, it depends on when the
work in Adium 1.5 starts and same for msn-pecan 0.3.

Also, it depends on how big the response of the user-base is.

Supposing msn-pecan 0.3 is ready by the time Adium 1.5 starts, and a
considerable amount of users complain about lack of YIM support, then
yeah; I don't see any problem implementing the missing feature.
However that is something that we should decide later on when 1.5
starts.

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras
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