[Adium-devl] My thoughts on msnp15 vs. msn-pecan

[George Armah]

Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Daniel Lj <dimmuxx at yahoo.se> wrote:
>   
>> I probably know more about how stable msnp15 is than anybody else here so I
>> figured I should write down my thoughts about the subject on msnp15 vs.
>> msn-pecan here.
>>
>> Msnp15 is my opinion is really stable and I have been using it almost 24/7
>> for three months now. There have been issues, bugs, crashes along the way
>> but much less than I thought it would be and in it's current state all the
>> bad stuff that I have experienced is fixed.
>>
>> I haven't tested msn-pecan but I can't imagine that it would be more stable
>> than msnp15 is in it's current state. If you look in my thread on the forum
>> you can see that most people are reporting that it works well for them and
>> it's usually hard to get people to write something if it works great for
>> them and especially in a forum where you have to register. It's often the
>> people that have problems that write angry messages instead.
>>
>> Then there is the issue that in the past issues with msn in libpurple didn't
>> receive enough attention but at the moment bugs that are properly reported
>> are fixed almost instantly and a lot of people are working on it. This might
>> change again but the same thing might happen with msn-pecan and the risk is
>> greater that it happens for msn-pecan since it doesn't have a lot of
>> developers which libpurple does.
>>
>> Msnp15 supports offline messages which is very important in msn since it's
>> used when you communicate with invisible users and it's also important that
>> you at least can receive them since some of your friends might send you
>> pretty important info while you are being offline and they don't know that
>> you are using an old protocol which cannot receive them.
>>
>> It looks like that you soon will be able to receive them in msn-pecan at
>> least but that might not be ready or stable enough in time for Adium 1.3.
>>
>> I have three possible solutions to get msnp15 in Adium as fast as possible.
>>
>> #1 Make a 1.3b8-msnp15 build which is available on beta.adiumx.com at the
>> same time as 1.3b8 is released so some users will test msnp15 but the
>> majority will stick with msn-pecan.
>>
>> #2 Make 1.3b8 with msnp15 but don't appcast it and be ready with 1.3b9 with
>> msn-pecan. Since it will only be on beta..adiumx.com you can write a lot of
>> information about it and that people should only update to it if they wanna
>> help test msnp15 and otherwise they should wait for 1.3b9 which will be
>> released in like 24-48h or just appcast 1.3b8 and update the info if msnp15
>> is considered to be stable enough.
>>
>> #3 Release 1.3.1b1 with msnp15 almost instantly after 1.3 is released to get
>> a lot of testing done with msnp15 so that it can be enabled for 1.3.1.
>>
>> If you decide to do anything with msnp15 you should add something in the
>> blod about it so that everyone can leave comments without having to
>> register.
>>
>> The problem with all the solutions is that some people might stick with the
>> old msnp15 build if it's not considered stable enough to be default. But I
>> know that msnp15 is stable enough so the chance of that happening is slim.
>>
>> /Dimmuxx
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>>     
>
> I've been lurking on the Adium mailing list for a couple of weeks now,
> and the whole msn-pecan vs. msnp15 discussion should really end for
> 1.3. The Adium team should get out 1.3 sooner than later, only solving
> critical bugs holding back a 1.3 release. No switching around with MSN
> branches, it's not worth the mess so late in the development cycle.
> It'd only mean that it's going to take even longer for the 1.3-fixes
> to reach the masses.
>   
I have also been lurking and I second Mark's comments.
Speaking as a member of the masses: I'm really looking fwd to 1.3. I am 
having to use the latest
beta now because of Fbook Chat support. Hope 1.3 gets here soon :).

Also, I have updated my SMS plugin code with improvements and its 
currently waiting for
1.3 before being released.

Based on what I know about Adium Devs so far, whatever decision is made 
is going to be
the best possible for all parties involved.

>   
>> I haven't tested msn-pecan but I can't imagine that it would be more stable than msnp15 is in it's current state.
>>     
>
> That's probably the biggest flaw in your rationale: you're saying
> something is better than something else you don't really know.
> msn-pecan has been very stable for several weeks and any crashes have
> been solved quickly.
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George.
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