[Adium-devl] Focus/What are we doing?

[Igor Foox]

On 10/18/07, Augie Fackler <lists at durin42.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Igor Foox wrote:
>
> > I am not an Adium developer, just a developer who happens to use Adium
> > and lurk on this list. But I'd like to give you guys my outsider
> > opinion.
> >
> > I think "the best OS X IM experience possible, period" is a great goal
> > for Adium from the user point of view. I put OS X in there so you guys
> > don't get it into your head to expand to those other platforms and
> > de-emphasize OS X. :-) I don't believe that adding V/V  or A/V to the
> > name will _actually_ have any effect on the market share, user base,
> > or other metrics of Adium's success. I believe that with a project
> > like this, which is fairly high-profile in the Mac world, news will
> > spread. And it will spread quickly.
>
> It's a great goal, but it's also very nonspecific. My concern is we
> no longer have a specific focus now that we have basic IM working, and
> file transfer in all the cases I happen to not use (seriously, FT
> totally misbehaves and does nothing, but then iChat fails me fairly
> often as well). My personal goal at this point is A/V as well as making
> file transfer more reliable.

That's a great specific target. I'm going to be a very happy camper
when Adium has working A/V. I've been waiting for years. It would be
even better since I assume a lot of that would be implemented in
libpurple and so all those people on my contact list using pidgin will
also have working A/V! But I think setting that as the central goal of
the project is a bit short-sighted. It's just one feature out of many
awesome features (currently and potentially) in Adium.




> Augie
>
> >
> > <snip rebranding stuff that I'm less interested in />
> >
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> > Igor
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Chris Forsythe <chris at growl.info> wrote:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >>     So for the first couple of years of what ended up being Adium
> >> X, we
> >> were going for "so many features you'll crap your pants". For
> >> those who
> >> are newer, yes, that was the motto.
> >>
> >>     We stopped that a while ago, but we never really came back
> >> with what
> >> it is we're doing. I've been running under the belief that we're
> >> going
> >> for "the best IM experience, period", but I'm sure others feel other
> >> ways. This has come to light recently, however indirectly, with the
> >> naming convention discussion we had recently. Some folks wanted Adium
> >> VV/Adium AV or something similar, which would indicate some kind of
> >> emphasis on Voice/Video. Others have expressed interest in having
> >> voice/video, but not really focusing on it. My opinion of this is
> >> that
> >> what we're seeing is a different set of goals from each person, and
> >> without a clearly laid out plan/structure for what we are achieving,
> >> we're going to continue to have these types of discussions, which
> >> could
> >> degrade into any number of weird/odd or even bad situations.
> >>
> >>     I've also been reading a lot of self help/marketting type books,
> >> some of you know why, but I can't go into it right now. These books
> >> however have drilled the point into my skull that this is
> >> something that
> >> we need to do, that we need to define what we're doing and where
> >> we are
> >> going with this. What makes us unique (our purple cow ( Seth Godin
> >> reference, better explanation:
> >> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/28 and
> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6909078385965257294 and his
> >> Purple Cow book are all excellent)) with Adium, what our goals
> >> are, and
> >> where we are going.
> >>
> >>     I've been meaning to send this email for a while, I really think
> >> that once we define what we're doing and where we want to go, the
> >> random
> >> ambling we have will start to have a sharper focus and we'll get
> >> there
> >> faster. I also thinks that you're going to have to think about why
> >> you
> >> work on Adium in the first place, and why the others work on Adium.
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
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