NetworkRedux hosting going away

Fri Dec 4 11:01:58 AST 2020

I don’t think the feedback list history is of any particular value at this point. I wouldn’t worry about retaining it… and furthermore, I agree that a black hole is worse than no mailing list at all.  Discourse, or the ticket system on GitHub, seem appropriate.

-Evan
On Dec 2, 2020, 6:48 PM -0500, Mathuaerknedam ! <mathuaerknedam at gmail.com>, wrote:
> It looks like feedback was originally a mailbox that was later recreated as a mailing list. Plesk migrated the mailbox and ignored the list. Few questions:
>
> 1. Do we need the old mailbox content? Its most recent message is from 2009.
> 2. I can recreate the feedback mailing list, but it would be nice if someone actually responded to users. I'm not sure it's worth keeping it if it's just a black hole.
> 3. Is there really any need for a feedback email? Should we request a free Discourse site? https://meta.discourse.org/t/free-hosting-for-open-source-v2/101940
> 4. It's possible to import mailing list history into Discourse, and then drop the mailing lists. This even works for people who can't or won't switch from email to a web gui.
>
> #3 also relates to Cocoaforge.
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> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:58 AM Mathuaerknedam ! <mathuaerknedam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All of the mailing lists have been migrated, with archives, settings, and subscribers. Unfortunately, some subscriber settings are not transferable (e.g language) and others are kinda tedious to preserve (e.g. digest, nomail), so all subscribers are currently regular (receiving individual messages) and all individual settings have been set to the default.
> > >
> > > All mailboxes and forwards have been migrated as well, though we should find out if anyone is actually checking those mailboxes. If you can or do check one of the following, let us know:
> > >
> > > probably old system boxes that can be trashed:
> > > adium at adium.im 109k
> > > adiumx at adiumxtras.com 4k
> > > cfadium at cocoaforge.com 4k
> > > forums at adium.im 4k
> > > forums at cocoaforge.com 38.3M
> > >
> > > feedback at adium.im 44.4M
> > > postmaster at adium.im 41.4M
> > > robotive at adium.im 8.94k
> > > soc at adium.im 4k
> > >
> > > If nobody is checking these, we'll reset the password and check the contents before deciding what to do with them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:28 PM Chris Forsythe <chris at growl.info> wrote:
> > > > > Todo list, keep in mind this mailing list is hosted on the box about to be decommissioned.
> > > > >
> > > > > Today:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Point DNS records to the new name servers. Who has access to the registrar to do these moves today?
> > > > > - adium.im
> > > > > - adiumxtras.com
> > > > > - adiumx.com
> > > > > - cocoaforge.com - I have this, if the db gets moved
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Getting data over to Jordan.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Jordan configures the new server. He gave me access to it to at least have one backup for now
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Someone logs into cpanel if they can on the old server and looks for any other configurations. Mail forwarding, whatever. This is probably all in the backup but it's probably harder to figure out than looking at cpanel.
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Tomorrow
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Decide what to do about the minis.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6) Decide whether to keep phpbb and cocoaforge forums or forward cocoaforge to github.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think 1-4 are the most important.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:10 PM Mathuaerknedam ! <mathuaerknedam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Early 2009 Mini: limited to El Capitan (10.11), released in 2015 and last updated in 2018. Probably not something we want to be supporting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:54 PM Thijs Alkemade <me at thijsalkema.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I can still reach them. They are a Mid 2007 and Eary 2009 model, which won’t be worth very much nowadays. I don’t think they’ll be of any use, but ultimately I think Evan should decide on what to do with them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thijs
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 30 Nov 2020, at 01:27, Evan Schoenberg <evan at adium.im> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I can’t access the Minis at present; can anyone?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We clearly don’t need two. Maybe the newer of them could be useful for legacy compatibility testing purposes?  Though I would think there are virtualization solutions that are more convenient.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know where the AdiumXtras database is stored?  I have a "full backup” that Network redux provided, but I recall that we lost the entirety of Trac because a “full backup” didn’t actually include whatever relationship database it was depending on...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Evan
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2020, 12:41 AM -0500, Chris Forsythe <chris at growl.info>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> I sent the zone files to a few of you directly.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> What do you want to do with the Mac minis? I think they probably need an answer there soon. I’m not sure about how old they are but I remember them getting set up when I was still active with the project and that was a long time ago.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Thijs Alkemade <thijs at xnyhps.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Hi Mathuaerknedam,
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> I’m worried about not being able to access services because they require some email validation or a password reset. Maybe a temporary solution without the mailing lists that still allows us to receive mail could be a good idea.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> The nameservers for our domains are also set to NR. If I remember correctly they are registered on the IMF account at Gandi. I think it would be best to migrate our nameservers to Gandi… but I don’t think I have the zone files for any of our domains. Do you know if we still have some way to obtain our current DNS records without access to the NR account?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Thijs
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 03:40, Mathuaerknedam ! <mathuaerknedam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> If I remember correctly, we also have 2 Mac Mini’s at NetworkRedux. Do we also need to arrange something for those?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Probably? As far as I can tell, the NR user account systems have already been disabled. I'm guessing only Evan can work with NR now?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> It's easy enough to grab mailing list archives and subscriber lists, but they would need imported into something to be useful.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 3:50 PM Thijs Alkemade <me at thijsalkema.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I’ve made backups of / on Duck and Eider, and of the Adium user’s home directory from Muscovy and Smew. Separately, I’ve made mysql and postgresql dumps. I hope this means we don’t lose any critical data.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I agree that Github’s static hosting would be fine for the website. The thing I’m most worried about is email for @adium.im, both personal forwards and the mailing lists. Does someone have thoughts on how to handle that?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thijs
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 16 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Thijs Alkemade <me at thijsalkema.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hello all,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s now 2 weeks until December 1st. Did somebody start with a migration? (Or at least, pulling backups of the servers.)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> If I remember correctly, we also have 2 Mac Mini’s at NetworkRedux. Do we also need to arrange something for those?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Thijs
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 17 Oct 2020, at 14:06, Jordan <jas8522 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Happy to host whatever isn’t handled by GitHub @ websavers.ca
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jordan
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 1:29 AM Asher Haig <asher at strong.ai> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> What if we just made an Xtras repo and let people make pull requests?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Asher
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Andrew Harvey <andrew at mootpointer.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I’ve put some feelers out at work (I work for a company with a large cloud computing division). There are a lot of people with a soft spot for Adium there so hopefully we can find someone to champion the cause.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I’m guessing the traffic requirements aren’t huge for AdiumXtras (and yes, everything else could and should probably live on GitHub)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Andrew.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2020, at 05:20, Evan Schoenberg <evan at adium.im> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> The majority of extant resources can be handled through GitHub easily. They provide free web hosting, and we’re not doing anything fancy with the current adium.im site.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I’m not sure what adiumxtras’ needs are, though.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Evan
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cataract, Cornea, and Vision Correction Surgeon
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Georgia Eye Partners
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Northside
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Suite 108
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Atlanta, GA 30342 404-531-9988
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Johns Creek
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 10080 Medlock Bridge Rd
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Woodstock
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2020, 6:26 AM -0400, Robert Vehse <robertvehse at fastmail.fm>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> NetworkRedux is retiring from the hosting business on
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1 December 2020. This means we will need to migrate our entire infrastructure.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Matthew said he wouldn't be able to help with that before November, if at all.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Robbie
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jordan
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> --
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Matthew
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> > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > Matthew
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Chris Forsythe
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> > > --
> > >
> > > Matthew
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> --
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> Matthew
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