[Adium-devl] Adium iPhone

[Ryan R. LaMothe]

Yes, I missed the mailing list thread because I was at work and just  
recently got home, at which point I subscribed to the mailing list.   
Sorry for the missed communications.

I took this line of your original email to imply that a standalone  
client would not suffice:  "I don't see how a local-only IM client on  
the phone can expect to succeed long term".  If a local-only client  
would not suffice, a web-only client would be the only other solution.  
Unless you know of another way to run code on the platform.

The two points I am not understanding, and I need to investigate  
further, are as follows:

1) "One of the main suggestions today was that your personal copy of  
Adium could act as a server"
2) "Push notifications require serverside support"

To address both points #1 and #2, why is there a need for the above  
mentioned client/server configuration requirements?  I have spent some  
time writing both a Javascript-based and a Flash-based Jabber client  
for corporate portals and neither one of them required special server- 
side configurations to enable push style chatting, chat rooms, etc.   
Is there something special about the iPhone firmware either now or  
planned in the future which has unique requirements that need to be  
addressed?


-Ryan

On Jan 22, 2009, at 6:53 PM, David Smith wrote:

> You apparently missed most of the thread. I'll clarify inline.
>
> On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Ryan R. LaMothe wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I always find it odd when people don't get how a stand-alone IM  
>> client would succeed on a mobile platform.  Well, I can give you a  
>> number of good reasons why a standalone client would succeed:
>>
>> 1)  I refuse to store my username and password to IM services,  
>> email or otherwise on 3rd party servers.  For example, I will not  
>> use BeeJive, Meebo, etc.
>> 2)  Other privacy concerns unrelated to username and password when  
>> using 3rd party servers (logged conversations, etc.).
>> 3)  I cannot use 3rd party servers to login to our corporate Jabber  
>> server, due to legal issues (!)  This is a huge showstopper for me,  
>> since our corporate development teams live though email and IM.
> One of the main suggestions today was that your personal copy of  
> Adium could act as a server.
>
>>
>> 4)  I do not carry my laptop around with me %100 of the time, but I  
>> always have my phone on me at all times.
> Hence this thread, yes.
>
>>
>> 5)  Once "push notifications" are available on the iPhone, it is  
>> almost guaranteed that IM clients popularity will skyrocket.  This  
>> is the #1 complaint I hear from iPhone users as to why they do not  
>> currently use IM clients right now (including AIM).
> Push notifications require serverside support, which is why I sent  
> the email you replied to.
>
>>
>> 6)  Web-only clients generally suck.  They do not deal with  
>> unreliable communication well, require 3rd party server support and  
>> if they worked so well, the iPhone SDK would still be a large  
>> Javascript library.
> Who on earth was talking about a web client?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:39 AM, David Smith wrote:
>>
>>> There is a larger issue here in my mind. What does Adium for the  
>>> iPhone actually mean? With push notification support coming  
>>> "someday", I don't see how a local-only IM client on the phone can  
>>> expect to succeed long term.
>>>
>>> 			David
>