[Adium-devl] MSNp15 (libpurple im.pidgin.pidgin) in Adium 1.3.x

[Patrick Gibson]

I just wanted to chip in my $0.02 as someone who uses MSN heavily:

I've had no problems connecting with 1.3.x, or with display pictures,
and this is using 2 accounts in a variety of network situations. I
also greatly appreciate now being able to read status messages. I
can't comment on offline messaging because I never use it.

I think the benefits of using a library with a larger target audience
are moot if certain aspects of that library – in this case, msnp* –
are not the primary interest of the developers. Felipe seems pretty
keen on improving msn-pecan, and I assume a lot of that motivation
comes from having it included in the best darn tooting Mac IM client
evar. The pidgin folks, much respect to them and all their work, just
seem less interested in supporting and adding new features to their
implementation.

Project management is not a democracy, not by far, but if it were then
I would definitely be casting a vote for msn-pecan.

Sincerely,
Patrick B. Gibson



On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Felipe Contreras
<felipe.contreras at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette
> <dracognizer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 9 , 2008, at 00:15, Evan Schoenberg wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to propose moving Adium 1.3.x back to im.pidgin.pidgin for
>>> MSN connectivity – that is, MSNp15 – for Adium 1.3.2.  libpurple
>>> 2.5.1 fixed the immediate influx of msnp15 problems, and what we're
>>> left with now is that it appears to be the better choice looking
>>> forward.  As always, working with the library with a wider audience
>>> helps us with bug reporting and development, and msn-pecan continues
>>> to have problems sending display pictures and doesn't support
>>> sending offline messages (which also means sending to invisible
>>> users).
>>>
>>> I'd prefer that our side of helping to debug (and fix!) problems be
>>> directed towards the ultimate code base we'll be utilizing.
>>>
>>> The primary known issue with msnp15 is that apparently it sends a
>>> lot of data at signon, which means some users on slow connections
>>> end up getting timeout errors.
>>>
>>> N.B.: I don't use MSN at all.  If you're using trunk and MSN, I'd
>>> like to hear about any other concerns you have.
>>>
>>> -Evan_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> I do use MSN, but never encountered any issue talking with offline /
>> invisible people. Even with Adium 1.3.1.
>>
>> However, even with Adium 1.3, I had plenty of crashes due to the msn-
>> pecan library... And they rarely were the same errors. But 1.3.1 betas
>> and stable never crashed yet. Wait and see... :)
>>
>> What does msn-pecan has that msnp15 doesn't ? Status messages ?
>
> I don't like to compare the features, partly because I think msn-pecan
> has better foundations, but also because it has less features :P
>
> The next feature of msn-pecan is something that msnp15 doesn't have;
> fast (direct) file transfers, there's partial code in the 'next'
> branch, but my bet is that it will take some time.
>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
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