[Adium-devl] Toward 1.3

[Eric Richie]

I have no idea why Mail.app brutalized that one so badly... Sorry  
about the empty subject.  Sending again to preserve threading.

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> From: Eric Richie <edr1084 at gmail.com>
> Date: May 10, 2008 10:09:53 PM EDT
> To: Adium Development mailing list <adium-devl at adiumx.com>
> Subject: Re: [Adium-devl] (no subject)
> Reply-To: Adium Development mailing list <adium-devl at adiumx.com>
>
>
> On May 10, 2008, at 7:40 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 9, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Zachary West wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Colin Barrett <timber at lava.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Actually we /already/ have Twitter integration that is better than
>>>> using the web API -- XMPP.
>>>
>>> I disagree. I plan on (probably this weekend) creating a Twitter
>>> account service which places your friends on your contact list with
>>> their status as their recent tweets. This combined with a recent
>>> status window would work perfectly. Messages to the user would be
>>> direct messages. Then Adium-using Tweeters could potentially hold
>>> conversations over the medium as well.
>>
>> Gah gah gah gah nooooooo. I totally disagree, as someone who uses
>> Twitter a lot. I think that would just piss off a lot of people. Here
>> a couple reasons why you shouldn't have Twitter in the contact list:
>>
>> - You follow many more people than you could care about seeing all
>> at once. For example, I'm following ~200 people.
>> - More people follow you than you could care about seeing all at
>> once, including people who you don't know. A little less than 500
>> people follow me, for example.
>> - You can't organize Twitter contacts into groups. (yet?)
>> - You can only direct message people who are following you (spam
>> prevention measure), so you can't just IM anyone you follow).
>> - Twitter's about microblogging, not really about status or presence
>> or anything like this. If I have a random thought or complaint, I'll
>> post that to Twitter. People can reply to that, talk about their own
>> stuff, etc. The right way to show the information coming from Twitter
>> is a river-of-news style timeline. That's how it's presented on the
>> website and in every Twitter client.
>
> ++
>
>
>> I would vastly prefer the bookmarked chat option, but I really don't
>> even see the point of that. Here are some technical reasons why we
>> should just stick with the XMPP API:
>>
>> - The web API is slower (you have to poll, while XMPP is push)
>> - It doesn't allow you to do some things (for example, if you want
>> use the "track" feature, you have to use IM or get SMS  
>> notifications).
>> - You can do anything you could do from the web API via the XMPP api
>> using commands -- e.g. if I want to follow gruber, I would enter:
>> "follow gruber". To direct message Elliott, I'd do: "d eharris You up
>> for in-n-out?"
>
> I REALLY don't like the sound of this.  This would kill usability for
> a great many of our users.  I don't want to turn something as simple
> as twitter into something that (arguably) rivals irc in beginner
> unfriendliness.  I DO NOT want to have to rely on a bunch of commands
> and arguments to interact with the service.  I am unwilling to hand
> something like that to our users.  I realize that most twitter users
> are more tech-savvy than most, but that's not what we're about.  If
> our goal is simplicity and user experience, this would be a very
> precarious path to travel down.  I would like to see what you have,
> but I currently have some apprehension based on what I've heard thus
> far.
>
> -Eric
>
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