[Adium-devl] My thoughts on msnp15 vs. msn-pecan

[Mark Janssen]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Daniel Lj <dimmuxx at yahoo.se> wrote:
> I probably know more about how stable msnp15 is than anybody else here so I
> figured I should write down my thoughts about the subject on msnp15 vs.
> msn-pecan here.
>
> Msnp15 is my opinion is really stable and I have been using it almost 24/7
> for three months now. There have been issues, bugs, crashes along the way
> but much less than I thought it would be and in it's current state all the
> bad stuff that I have experienced is fixed.
>
> I haven't tested msn-pecan but I can't imagine that it would be more stable
> than msnp15 is in it's current state. If you look in my thread on the forum
> you can see that most people are reporting that it works well for them and
> it's usually hard to get people to write something if it works great for
> them and especially in a forum where you have to register. It's often the
> people that have problems that write angry messages instead.
>
> Then there is the issue that in the past issues with msn in libpurple didn't
> receive enough attention but at the moment bugs that are properly reported
> are fixed almost instantly and a lot of people are working on it. This might
> change again but the same thing might happen with msn-pecan and the risk is
> greater that it happens for msn-pecan since it doesn't have a lot of
> developers which libpurple does.
>
> Msnp15 supports offline messages which is very important in msn since it's
> used when you communicate with invisible users and it's also important that
> you at least can receive them since some of your friends might send you
> pretty important info while you are being offline and they don't know that
> you are using an old protocol which cannot receive them.
>
> It looks like that you soon will be able to receive them in msn-pecan at
> least but that might not be ready or stable enough in time for Adium 1.3.
>
> I have three possible solutions to get msnp15 in Adium as fast as possible.
>
> #1 Make a 1.3b8-msnp15 build which is available on beta.adiumx.com at the
> same time as 1.3b8 is released so some users will test msnp15 but the
> majority will stick with msn-pecan.
>
> #2 Make 1.3b8 with msnp15 but don't appcast it and be ready with 1.3b9 with
> msn-pecan. Since it will only be on beta..adiumx.com you can write a lot of
> information about it and that people should only update to it if they wanna
> help test msnp15 and otherwise they should wait for 1.3b9 which will be
> released in like 24-48h or just appcast 1.3b8 and update the info if msnp15
> is considered to be stable enough.
>
> #3 Release 1.3.1b1 with msnp15 almost instantly after 1.3 is released to get
> a lot of testing done with msnp15 so that it can be enabled for 1.3.1.
>
> If you decide to do anything with msnp15 you should add something in the
> blod about it so that everyone can leave comments without having to
> register.
>
> The problem with all the solutions is that some people might stick with the
> old msnp15 build if it's not considered stable enough to be default. But I
> know that msnp15 is stable enough so the chance of that happening is slim.
>
> /Dimmuxx
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I've been lurking on the Adium mailing list for a couple of weeks now,
and the whole msn-pecan vs. msnp15 discussion should really end for
1.3. The Adium team should get out 1.3 sooner than later, only solving
critical bugs holding back a 1.3 release. No switching around with MSN
branches, it's not worth the mess so late in the development cycle.
It'd only mean that it's going to take even longer for the 1.3-fixes
to reach the masses.

> I haven't tested msn-pecan but I can't imagine that it would be more stable than msnp15 is in it's current state.

That's probably the biggest flaw in your rationale: you're saying
something is better than something else you don't really know.
msn-pecan has been very stable for several weeks and any crashes have
been solved quickly.