[Adium-devl] Meeting on April 5th

[Colin Barrett]

On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Chris Forsythe wrote:

> Well ya, you're available at 7 am PDT, which is 10 am on the other
> coast and 9 am my time. Ya, I'll be working. Others will be in
> school. This is not a viable time frame. Is there any reason you
> wanted to do this in the morning? I'm not really seeing any sort of
> advantage here based on the time requirements of everyone in this  
> group.

Actually I'm currently not awake at 7am PDT, but I would be willing to  
wake up for one of these meetings.

> Times are always going to suck unless we eat into the weekends. Last
> time I suggested we do this on the weekend time though, nobody really
> sounded that thrilled about that prospect.  So I am choosing a later
> time period to give those on the west coast who work later and have
> long commutes to get home and settle for a small amount of time. I'm
> not sure why you feel that 6 pm your time is very late. I an see
> bumping it back an hour, but then that makes it harder for those on
> the west coast to make it into the meeting.

Timing issues suck on the weekends too, because (some) people have  
lives on the weekends which aren't always scheduled far in advance  
(unfortunately I'm not one of those people). Are you unable to attend  
a meeting on IRC while at work? I am, but others may not be. Are  
people on the east coast (mostly just Evan?) busy mid-morning in  
class? does 2pm UTC work or not work for anyone?

> I'm not really a fan of these meetings in general due to the fact
> that we're all pretty spread out. We have people internationally that
> I'd really like to involve in the project in the same way that we
> involve folks in the states, and these meetings demoralize those
> folks for whom we're basically saying "oh, no weekends, and we can't
> work around your schedule either". We do really well fleshing out
> topics on the mailing list, which allows us to get everyone involved,
> and input from everyone. Plus I have to schedule these 3-4 weeks in
> advance to give those with hectic schedules the chance to make
> arrangements. When it comes down to it, we're basically just sending
> the wrong message out, but with good intentions. If you can come up
> with a way to get around this Colin I'd be much happier with these
> meetings, otherwise a weekend meeting may end up making a lot more
> sense.

The mailing list is useful too. Perhaps these meetings would be better  
organized as topic specific rather than general to Adium -- an  
"introduce the new people" meeting or a ModuleRefactorization  
meeting . That way we can get a smaller group of people that MUST  
attend for live discussion and people who just want to follow up on  
things can do so via email after the fact.

> In fact, you just sent another email expressing concerns about the
> time. This seems really important to you if you've done that. Please
> come up with a plan for rectifying this situation Colin, since it
> seems like this is something you're very concerned about. I believe
> most of our Australian folks are in Melbourne/Sydney/Canberra, and I
> believe the furthest east from the States you have to go is where
> Ofri is located. Please delegate tasks as appropriate to resolve this
> issue, it's pretty important if we're going to continue with these
> meetings.

Yes, timing is very important to me. I mentioned this earlier, but at  
Mozilla there have been, in the two months I've been here, discussions  
about meeting times every week. The fact is that they are a very  
efficient, natural way to communicate and there is some worth there. I  
don't think we can just ignore that.

-Colin